Milam Thompson – What about your grandfather, was he a cowboy?
Rafael de la Garza - Yeah.
Milam Thompson – He was a cowboy.
Rafael de la Garza – My grandpa, yeah. He worked with Old Man Tom O'Connor; the Old Man. He worked with him and he used to tell me when they ate dinner. When they ate dinner once in a while, they didn't eat every day. He said when they be eating dinner he's say, "Oh boys!" He never fuss at his boys or nothing. "Oh boys! Swallow now and chew after!"
Milam Thompson – Swallow now and chew after! Can you remember why you wanted to be a cowboy? What made you want to be a cowboy?
Rafael de la Garza – I don't know. I was just born that way, I reckon.
Milam Thompson – Was you ever on one of them cattle drives?
Rafael de la Garza – Cattle drives? No.
Milam Thompson – You never was on one. But you do remember…
Rafael de la Garza – My grandpa went.
Milam Thompson – Is that right?
Rafael de la Garza - He went to Kansas, but I never did went. I don't know how many times he went. I don't know. They take 'em six or eight months to go and come. He was with the crowd when they killed a man with a axe; hit him in the head. He told me he was with a herd of steers that stampeded and got away. And the owner of the steers the next morning was eating breakfast and got an axe and knocked that, his bosses head out – his brains out. Said brains fell in the plates of some of 'em; the plates that were around. Some of 'em run off, left them. My grandpa left and come back. And he didn't know what come up.