Pancho Perez – So I used to miss three or four days, go to school, work cattle. Then when I come back, I love to go work again, but I got to go to school. But I had no more on my head to go to school. I had…Mr. Copeland spoiled me! Mr. Copeland say, "Rope that calf, Panch!" They want to see me. I used to be a little bitty kid, but I could rope them calves. And Mr. Copeland told Mrs. Copeland, "I don't believe Pancho gonna learn much. He wants to go rope. He wants to go rope." My favorite, you know, when I started to work at the Duke, there was Willie Jones and Ervin Gibson. They used to rope in the herd. If you rope in the herd, you got to be overlooped, because if you start swinging, you make them calves wild and you got to be kind of pretty quiet and just one throw. Overloop like that. Turn your loop like that, and just one swing. Running. Well, you got to swinging, throw to his head, neck. Well, somebody got the head. Somebody roping the head, it's called healing.
Julian Tijerina - No. Somebody got him by the head.
Pancho Perez – Back feet. Well, if you wants to just try to catch him by the front foots, you got to run him and turn your loop over, over the neck. I was love roping that time. I ain't like roping no more.